{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"16032967","dateCreated":"1256711564","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"lydiak","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/lydiak","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/lydiak-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16032967"},"dateDigested":1532169295,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Lydia K","description":"I love how the whole thing is written. The writer uses a 8,6,8,6 syllable pattern which creates a fun rhythm while reading.
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\n"God save thee, ancient Mariner!
\nFrom the fiends, that plague thee thus!\u2014
\nWhy look'st thou so?'\u2014With my cross-bow
\nI shot the ALBATROSS."
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\nWhen I first read this part, the word albatross stood out because it was capitalized. In other sections the same word is written in lower case. I think the writer is trying to emphasize that the albatross, a symbol of good luck, has been killed which can be a foreshadow of something bad happening later on. As the poem\/story continues on, the mood becomes gloomier with words such as dead, black, curse, and spirit appears.
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\nBut I\u2019m confused as to why the ancient Mariner killed the bird. To me it seems as though the bird was a relief to the people. Before the appearance of the bird, the writer describes the ice all around. The writer also mentions the sounds that the ice makes in order to emphasize the greatness and danger of the ice.
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\n\u201cThe Albatross fell off, and sank
\nLike lead into the sea.\u201d
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\nSo after he killed the bird he had kept the body. But when the bird sank into the ocean, we can see that the situation gets worst.
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\n\u201cMy lips were wet, my throat was cold,\u2028My garments all were dank ;\u2028Sure I had drunken in my dreams,\u2028And still my body drank.
\nI moved, and could not feel my limbs :\u2028I was so light--almost\u2028I thought that I had died in sleep,\u2028And was a bless\u00e9d ghost.\u201d
\n \u201cAs if it had been a Christian soul, We hailed it in God's name.\u201d From this, I thought that the albatross is faith or strength. In the beginning, the ancient Mariner had killed the bird which symbolizes his faith. In the last part, the bird falls into the ocean which shows that the little bit of faith left in him is now gone. Since he has no faith, he has no life. Because I think that by having faith, it gives life to a person.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16028923","dateCreated":"1256698867","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"syclair","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/syclair","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16028923"},"dateDigested":1532169295,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Clair Kang - The Rime of the Ancient Mariner discussion","description":"Water, water, every where,
\nAnd all the boards did shrink ;
\nWater, water, every where,
\nNor any drop to drink.
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\nThe very deep did rot : O Christ !
\nThat ever this should be !
\nYea, slimy things did crawl with legs
\nUpon the slimy sea.
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\nAbout, about, in reel and rout
\nThe death-fires danced at night ;
\nThe water, like a witch's oils,
\nBurnt green, and blue and white
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\nWith these three stanzas, the Mariner and the shipmates' plight starts. And this part, to my opinion, foreshadows quite a lot of things. "The water is like a witch's oils." So here, the water is described as nothing but something that is useless and harmful. And later, Death's mate - who to me seems a lot like a witch - surely enough kills all the shipmates and it's all a game to her. So the "death-fires" and "the witch's oils" foreshadow the coming of Death's mate and the harm she will cause.
\n Also, the last line "burnt green, and blue, and white," appears again later. Except, it's "blue, green, and black." And they were the colors of the great water snakes that swam through, and to Mariner's eyes, they look beautiful. The color that changed from the first one to the one after is the transition between the color white to black. This foreshadows the possibility of transition between the mood of the story which is from peaceful to dark and scary (death).","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"16029087","body":"I also noticed other colors on Death's mate like red (sin), yellow-gold (like sunlight?), and white (pale leprosy skin). I get the feeling that white, black, and red are the main colors of this story despite the ocean's color being blue. But here, I guess the water is black.","dateCreated":"1256699101","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"courteneykim","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/courteneykim","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"16029267","body":"Yes. And i don't know if you noticed, but the colors are mentioned in a similar manner too. The author lists the color in almost the exact same way, it's almost intentional. and the only color that changed is like i mentioned, from white to black. And going back to your discussion, I guess the white is kind of like the bride's color where as the black is the witch's color. So i guess, the change in color could also represent the transition between the wedding setting at the beginner to the Mariner's story.","dateCreated":"1256699358","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"syclair","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/syclair","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"16028857","dateCreated":"1256698787","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"mpark32198","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/mpark32198","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16028857"},"dateDigested":1532169296,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Emily Park","description":"First thing I noticed while I was reading this poem is that it sounds so much like Noah's ark and the Korean traditional tale "Hungbu and Nolbu". In both stories, the bird is a sign and in "Hungbu and Nolbu", Hungbu fixes the bird's injured leg and gets rewarded in the end as opposed to the Mariner, who kills the bird even though it helps the crew by bringing them the breeze. Again, Foster's lesson from How to Read Literature Like a Professor appears here in the poem as well. That is, the frame of almost all stories is the same, but ending and variations in the middle are slightly different.
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\nFor some parts, I had to read them out loud, and I realized that most of the stanzas contain iambic pentameter rhythmic pattern. Although the rhyme scheme was not completely consistent throughout the poem, it seemed to have taken the pattern abab. The reversed sentence structure, which is so common in Shakespearean works, not only highlights the contrasting tone before and after the Mariner kills the bird, but it also draws attention to the imagery that the author creates. The contrasting tone can also be attributed to the abrupt shift in the events that the Mariner encounters. This is especially apparent in the contrast between the Mariner's joy at seeing the ship and the sight of a woman who seems to represent death.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"16029367","body":"I love how you compared "Hungbu and Nolbu" and this story!
\nYes, the bird in the Korean traditional tale is definitely a good luck as long as it is treated right. The same way the bird is good luck until it is killed by the Mariner, and then the plight starts.","dateCreated":"1256699542","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"syclair","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/syclair","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"16029755","body":"Haha, that story was just the very first thing that came across my mind! Well, I guess the writers aren't that creative since they overuse the same plot structure over and over again. It is surprising how the same story line is used internationally and how this bird story goes way back to the very old times when stories were orally passed down through the next generations.","dateCreated":"1256700255","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"mpark32198","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/mpark32198","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"16028171","dateCreated":"1256697922","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"ikam","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ikam","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16028171"},"dateDigested":1532169296,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Opening Closing","description":"As I finished reading, I realized the closing came back to the whole wedding scene. I scrolled up to check if I had been right- and yes, the intro had been at a wedding feast.
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\nWhat is the significance of intro and closing setting?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"16028291","body":"To remind the readers of where they started? When writings start and end at the same place I kind of look back to the beginning and retrace the step of the author. May be this was what Coleridge is\/was aiming for? It's also kind of ironic, "We went all that way to come back to the beginning again?"","dateCreated":"1256698171","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"courteneykim","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/courteneykim","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"16028755","body":"I totally forgot about that in the entire middle section..
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\nColeridge probably meant to get us lost in a million thoughts in the middle of his poem, so he knew he somehow had to bring us back to the wedding at the end.","dateCreated":"1256698671","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"anniexbananie","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/anniexbananie","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"16027837","dateCreated":"1256697351","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"courteneykim","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/courteneykim","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16027837"},"dateDigested":1532169296,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Bride and Death's mate","description":"I
\nThe bride hath paced into the hall,
\nRed as a rose is she;
\nNodding their heads before her goes
\nThe merry minstrelsy.
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\nIII
\nAnd is that Woman all her crew?
\nIs that a DEATH? and are there two?
\nIs DEATH that woman's mate?
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\nHer lips were red, her looks were free,
\nHer locks were yellow as gold:
\nHer skin was as white as leprosy,
\nThe Night-mare LIFE-IN-DEATH was she,
\nWho thicks man's blood with cold.
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\n...
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\n'The game is done! I've won! I've won!'
\nQuoth she, and whistles thrice.
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\nIs the mariner reminded of his journey by the bride? He sees the bride and all of a sudden he remembers his encounter with near "Death?" I thought this because he describes the bride as "Red as a rose", and then mentions Death's mate's "red" lips.
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\nHowever, the two are opposites--the bride is beautiful and approved of by the people as can be derived from people "nodding their heads" and the "merr(iness)" of the minstrels. Death's mate (or perhaps she is death herself) is met with horror and her actions are crude and (quite frankly) horrifying. "'The game is done! I've won! I've won!' Quoth she, and whistles thrice"--she is obviously saying that she has taken the lives of the men--compatible with the image of Death's mate, she sees the occurrence of death as some sort of trivial game for entertainment.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"16028375","body":"From the context given above, I can gently derive that the common factors are that both are women, both have something red, and both are attracting(not necessarily attractive). Maybe such was what Taylor wanted the mariner to be inspired by.","dateCreated":"1256698296","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"primal91","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/primal91","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"16028851","body":"Yeah, I think that both women are "attractive" although not necessarily in a positive way. The bride is attractive is a warm, soft way, and the mate is attractive in a way that "red lips," "gold" locks, and "leprosy" pale skin are attractive... The first two are considered very visually appealing, but the pale skin is both attractive and appalling.
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\nI also thought is odd that the mariner would describe the bride as something red instead of something white--as white is the main color given to a bride. White is also innocent and pristine, as opposed to red which is fiery, passionate, and perhaps even sinful.","dateCreated":"1256698783","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"courteneykim","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/courteneykim","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"16029149","body":"I think it is very interesting how you compare the bride and death's mate. And you mention how the death's mate's beauty is kind of distorted to make her seem attractive and "appalling" at the same time. I thought this was interesting because in my post, i mention how I think the death's mate is a lot like a witch, and a witch is usually attractive and appalling at the same time.","dateCreated":"1256699175","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"syclair","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/syclair","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"16027623","dateCreated":"1256696987","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"jyang10","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jyang10","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16027623"},"dateDigested":1532169297,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Albatross - imagination","description":"The presence of albatross seems to illustrate the power of imagination that affects the sailors.
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\nIn the beginning, the sailors believe that the albatross is a symbol of good luck because when it flew "round and round" the ship, "the ice did split witha thunder-fit" and a wind blew, leading the ship out of the frigid region. So, when the Mariner shot the Albatross, the sailors were furious for killing the bird as Mariner says, "And I had done a hellish thing...for all averred, I had killed the bird."
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\nHowever, when the fog lifted soon afterward, the sailors decided that the bird had actually brought not the breezes but the fog. They now congratulated the Mariner as he mentions: "Then all averred, I had killed the bird that brought the fog and mist."
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\nBut again, when the wind pushed the ship into a silent sea where the sailors were quickly stranded, the sailors blame the Mariner for their plight and hung the corpse of the Albatross around his neck like a cross; "Instead of cross, the Albatross about my neck was hung."
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\nBy showing the whimsical attitudes of the sailors, Coleridge reflects the power of imagination that could become a vehicle for interpreting unpleasant circumstances. The symbolic meaning of albatross continuously changes depending on the situation that the sailors are put into. Such variation not only shows the sailors' strong belief in superstition, by all means the imagination to imply a symbolic meaning in certain figures, but also the nature of human minds: how they are vulnerable and susceptible to harsh situations","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"16028417","body":"As soon as I saw Albatross capitalized, I realized there must be something behind the bird too.
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\nLike you mentioned it was a belief in superstition- but at the same time not because (like you mentioned again) the symbolic meaning of albatross continuously changes. The interpretation is up to the situation, which doesn't much make a superstition...
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\nAnd I definitely have to agree that it is human nature. We, at least I tend to think of things for the better and change my beliefs according to the changes made around me.","dateCreated":"1256698328","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"ikam","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ikam","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"16028773","body":"I love how the author chose Albatross as the specific species to introduce to the readers. When I looked up the bird on Wikipedia, it says that Albatross is one of the most able seabirds in the world. By killing the Albatross, it seems like the sailors lost not their ability to fly but their ability to sail and they got stuck in the ice.","dateCreated":"1256698689","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"mikebock","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/mikebock","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"16027355","dateCreated":"1256696525","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"chaerij","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/chaerij","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16027355"},"dateDigested":1532169297,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Chaeri Jeong","description":"In the poem The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, It was interesting to see how Coleridge uses nature to take on the role of adjectives. Very rarely does he use straight forward adjectives, but instead he describes the movement of nature such as the sun, moon, wind, fog, and the sea to portray the emotions and the mood of the story, hence it makes the poem seem smooth and flowing like the movements of the sea rather than broken up fragments.
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\nThe Sun came up upon the left,
\nOut of the sea came he!
\nAnd he shone bright, and on the right
\nWent down into the sea.
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\nIn this stanza, the sun and the sea seem to represent the meaning of majesty and loyalty. The entrance of the ship, therefore seems grand and significant.
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\nNor dim nor red, like God's own head,
\nThe glorious Sun uprist:
\nThen all averred, I had killed the bird
\nThat brought the fog and mist.
\n'Twas right, said they, such birds to slay,
\nThat bring the fog and mist.
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\nAfter the Mariner kills the bird, the Sun becomes "God's own head" and then "fog and mist" appears. This acts as a harbinger to upcoming danger. Immediately after reading this stanza, the reader can feel the quick transition caused by the murder of Albatross.
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\nIn a way, the nature seems to create the story, the men perceive nature as a living entity possessing higher power. In other words, the sun, sea and everything else involved in this poem seems to have feelings and personalities like humans.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"16027679","body":"Interesting - looks like a lot of authors we've been studying this year don't use straightforward adjectives but rather, more descriptive words like colors & climates. It's nice though, because we get to interpret the stories more freely - without being forced to think a certain way.
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\nI also see why you think the Sun and the sea represent majesty - the author uses the word "he" when talking about the Sun, therefore almost treating it like an actual being.","dateCreated":"1256697079","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"anniexbananie","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/anniexbananie","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"16028011","body":"Hey Annie! I also agree that it's more interesting how the author uses ambiguous statements rather than just straight out, clear words. It almost portrays greater significance and meaning. Looking it as a whole, they all seem to almost flow together...
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\nOh and nice connection to Conrad's use of colors. Colors also have that ambiguity and Conrad numerously mentions different colors to replace trite adjectives...
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\nInteresting post :P","dateCreated":"1256697647","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"chaerij","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/chaerij","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"16028101","body":"This si very interesting, I noticed how he was always talking about the nature of water, ocean, sky, sun, et al, and never directly told us, the audience, about his feelings. Perhaps the statae of nature represents the mariner's emotions which he never describes to the readers? He says many things about his physical state, but I can't specifically remember him talking about his emotions.","dateCreated":"1256697780","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"courteneykim","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/courteneykim","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"16028427","body":"You make an interesting point! I agree with you Courtney-he does seem to portray his feelings through descriptions of nature.
\nMany of the symbols within the poem can also be extracted from nature.
\nBut I disagree with you on one thing Chaeri-"In other words, the sun, sea and everything else involved in this poem seems to have feelings and personalities like humans."
\nI don't think the sun, the moon or other nature references necessarily have feelings and personalities. Although many themes\/symbols derive from nature and it helps better portray the feelings of the Mariner and the other characters, I think nature is separate from the feelings or emotions of human experience.","dateCreated":"1256698338","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"jenniferp22","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jenniferp22","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"16026533","dateCreated":"1256695434","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"primal91","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/primal91","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16026533"},"dateDigested":1532169297,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"repetition","description":"The ice was here, the ice was there,
\nThe ice was all around:
\nIt cracked and growled, and roared and howled,
\nLike noises in a swound!
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\nDay after day, day after day,
\nWe stuck, nor breath nor motion;
\nAs idle as a painted ship
\nUpon a painted ocean.
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\nWater, water, every where,
\nAnd all the boards did shrink;
\nWater, water, every where,
\nNor any drop to drink.
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\nAll of the above stanzas have common literary element--repetition. It seems like Samuel Taylor Coleridge used such repetition to derive a sense of vulnerableness in front of the immense nature. Especially, since the ship back then was a sailing boat, not a motor boat, it's sailing schedule depended mainly upon the weather, or the nature. Keeping this fact in mind, the mariner seems to lament about the unfavorable weather and nature.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"16028245","body":"In addition, he also uses contrasting words as well.
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\nHere is one example.
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\nThe Sun came up upon the left,
\nOut of the sea came he !
\nAnd he shone bright, and on the right
\nWent down into the sea.
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\nHere uses left-right quite often to me it creates a dramatic mood since the two words are so contrasting. Since left and right are also words that are 'physical' the imagery that comes along definitely adds on to the mood.","dateCreated":"1256698075","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"ikam","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ikam","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"16028615","body":"He also uses repetition in separate stanzas:
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\nWith throats unslaked, with black lips baked,
\nWe could nor laugh nor wail ;
\nThrough utter drought all dumb we stood !
\nI bit my arm, I sucked the blood,
\nAnd cried, A sail ! a sail !
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\nWith throats unslaked, with black lips baked,
\nAgape they heard me call :
\nGramercy ! they for joy did grin,
\nAnd all at once their breath drew in,
\nAs they were drinking all.","dateCreated":"1256698532","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"anniexbananie","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/anniexbananie","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"16033119","body":""The Wedding-Guest stood still,
\nAnd listens like a three years' child :
\nThe Mariner hath his will.
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\nThe Wedding-Guest sat on a stone :
\nHe cannot choose but hear ;
\nAnd thus spake on that ancient man,
\nThe bright-eyed Mariner."
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\nI like how the second line of the first stanza and the second line of the second stanza relate to each other. It seems as if one's answering the other.","dateCreated":"1256712179","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"lydiak","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/lydiak","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/lydiak-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"16033557","body":"I think the repetition creates a slow progress. When you say day after day, it creates a feeling that a lot of time passed. But if you say it twice, that's even more time passing...","dateCreated":"1256714500","smartDate":"Oct 28, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"goblinj","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/goblinj","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"16022663","dateCreated":"1256691943","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"yongminc10","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/yongminc10","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16022663"},"dateDigested":1532169298,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Sun and Moon","description":"The Sun and Moon are undoubtedly contrasting images in the poem. Although I expected the connotations of each to be contrasting as well, both seem to be the sources of wrath and harbingers of death in this poem.
\nDuring the day, when the Sun is high, the seamen suffer greatly as the Sun menacingly beats down on them. 'All in a hot and copper sky, the blooy sun'. As if the killing of the Albatross had everything to do with it, the Sun unleashes its wrath on the sailors.
\nBut soon, the 'Sun's rims dip' and we naively welcome the arrival of the moon. Sadly though, the moon, as it appears with the 'spectre bark', brings with it death. And not to my surprise, the 'stardogged moon' curses the Mariner with its eye and takes the life of all the seamen on board.
\nColeridge's drawing on the image of the sun and moon obviously has religious connotations. The Sun was worshipped in many pagan religions, and the sun god actually ruled over the pantheon of lesser gods. In Inca myths, the sun was worshipped as the divine ancestor of the nation. And as far as I know, the Sun usually represents life, happiness, and hope. With that said, Coleridge's portrayal of the Sun as the all powerful purveyor of human suffering seems to contradict the sacred image it has assumed throughout history. Rather, the sun is portrayed as an angry god, unleashing its wrath on the weak underlings.
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\nIf sunlight is supposed to grant life and shed the world of darkness, moon represents the opposite; the mystery, the dark secrets, the fearful, abominable souls that lay hidden beneath the black of the night. In Coleridge's poem, the moon captures well that sense of demise and despair--It brings with it death.
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\nAll in all, Colderidge does nothing to undermine the power of nature in his poem. The sailors are helpless and left to suffer at the wrath of the all-powerful natural forces. But one thing; had the sun and moon appeared together, then the story might have turned out much differently. The sun and moon joined represent the compromise, the resolution of conflicts and peace.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"16027515","body":"I also got a similar feeling as you. I noticed in Part I, the Sun isn't described quiet the same as in Part II and Part III. When the Mariner kills the lucky bird, that's when the Sun turns 'bloody. Nice post :)'","dateCreated":"1256696820","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"mikebock","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/mikebock","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"16028781","body":""And not to my surprise, the 'stardogged moon' curses the Mariner with its eye and takes the life of all the seamen on board."
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\nI disagree with you on this point.
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\n"One after one, by the star-dogged Moon,
\nToo quick for groan or sigh,
\nEach turned his face with a ghastly pang,
\nAnd cursed me with his eye."
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\nIt isn't the moon that curses the Mariner with its eye..it is each member of the crew before death.
\nAlso, I do think the Moon takes on a more benevolent role compared to the Sun. It is after all the moon that guide the Mariner home.","dateCreated":"1256698707","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"jenniferp22","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jenniferp22","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"16021061","dateCreated":"1256690623","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"dabinl","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/dabinl","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16021061"},"dateDigested":1532169298,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"dabin Lee","description":"And I had done an hellish thing,
\nAnd it would work 'em woe :
\nFor all averred, I had killed the bird
\nThat made the breeze to blow.
\nAh wretch ! said they, the bird to slay,
\nThat made the breeze to blow !
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\nNor dim nor red, like God's own head,
\nThe glorious Sun uprist :
\nThen all averred, I had killed the bird
\nThat brought the fog and mist.
\n'Twas right, said they, such birds to slay,
\nThat bring the fog and mist.
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\nThese lines caught my attention, as Coleridge shows direct contrast through two stanzas that are right next to each other and that are almost identical in style. The first stanza shows people\u2019s reaction to the old man\u2019s killing of the bird; they condemn the old man for killing the bird \u201cthat made the breeze to blow\u201d. Yet, once they change their mind and begin to think that the bird had \u201cbrought the fog and mist,\u201d their attitude changes 100 percent. From calling it as a \u201cwretch\u201d before, they change their words and describe the killing as a \u201cright\u201d thing. These two stanzas show shallowness of mankind that tends to justify any action (even crimes) if that appears to be favorable to oneself.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"16027527","body":"I agree with your point. I noticed the same thing while reading-first the crew condemns him, then they praise him, and in the end they condemn him yet again!
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\nDay after day, day after day,
\nWe stuck, nor breath nor motion ;
\nAs idle as a painted ship
\nUpon a painted ocean.
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\nWater, water, every where,
\nAnd all the boards did shrink ;
\nWater, water, every where,
\nNor any drop to drink.
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\nThe very deep did rot : O Christ !
\nThat ever this should be !
\nYea, slimy things did crawl with legs
\nUpon the slimy sea.
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\nAbout, about, in reel and rout
\nThe death-fires danced at night ;
\nThe water, like a witch's oils,
\nBurnt green, and blue and white.
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\nAnd some in dreams assur\u00e9d were
\nOf the Spirit that plagued us so ;
\nNine fathom deep he had followedus From the land of mist and snow.
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\nAnd every tongue, through utter drought,
\nWas withered at the root ;
\nWe could not speak, no more than if
\nWe had been choked with soot.
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\nAh ! well a-day ! what evil looks
\nHad I from old and young !
\nInstead of the cross, the Albatross
\nAbout my neck was hung.
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\nOnce the fog lifted, they praised him. But once bad things started happening again, they blamed him again and hung the albatross on his neck. I think this quote makes your argument stronger because it further emphasizes the "shallowness of mankind".","dateCreated":"1256696836","smartDate":"Oct 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"jenniferp22","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jenniferp22","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]}],"more":true},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}