{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"24222005","dateCreated":"1274060511","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"sarahjang","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/sarahjang","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1222755549\/sarahjang-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/24222005"},"dateDigested":1532169744,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Life on a Boat","description":"In Act Three, Guildenstern talks about how boats are \u201ccontained\u201d and \u201cyou don\u2019t have to worry about which way to go, or whether to go at all\u2026 boats are safe areas in the game of tag\u2026\u201d Guildenstern then asks on page 108, \u201cDo you think death could possibly be a boat?\u201d In other words, can death be \u201ccontained\u201d and \u201csafe\u201d? This idea connects with the idea on Act Two, when Rosencrantz talks about how death would be like being contained and \u201casleep in a box.\u201d The idea of being contained in a boat without having to worry is similar to the idea of being sound asleep in a box\u2014which ultimately returns to the idea that they can\u2019t be the captain of their own lives.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"24222837","body":"So by giving over control, life becomes simpler without worry? The answer would have to be no since they have been worried for almost the entire play. Or maybe it is that they finally come to an acceptance of the control over their lives.","dateCreated":"1274061689","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"lporter","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/lporter","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24225955","body":"I think they Rosencrantz in Act 3 thought death would be safer. Remember the part when he mentions whether he should jump off the boat?","dateCreated":"1274069556","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"laurenleee","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/laurenleee","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/laurenleee-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24278915","body":"I think anything that gives a sense of containment helps Rosencrantz and Guildenstern to feel safe and help them to find identity. Because they still have doubts in identity, having clear boundaries of their body and their souls seem to help them in seeking answers.","dateCreated":"1274150573","smartDate":"May 17, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"jyang10","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jyang10","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24281869","body":"This post, titled "Life on a Boat," is by Sarah Jang and Rachel Yoo :)","dateCreated":"1274160666","smartDate":"May 17, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"rachelrox","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/rachelrox","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"24221889","dateCreated":"1274060376","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"Jessica_Y","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Jessica_Y","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/24221889"},"dateDigested":1532169745,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Our voyage and riding society's current","description":"The end of Act 2 and Beginning of act three focus on the duo\u2019s trip to England. Their journey is determined by external factors such as the weather, and they draw a parallel between their voyage and larger theme of life. \u201cAnd the weather will change\u201d (Act II, 93). \u201cOur truancy is defined by one fixed star, and our drift represents merely a slight change of angle to it.\u201d (Act III, 101). The excerpts contend that in life, there seems to be one fixed direction, and limited human control that guides your journey in life. Rather than trying to take control of direction, we rely on the currents of society to direct \u201cour drift.\u201d Rosencrantz and Guildenstern do what they are told; they go where they are told. They have little control over their life and struggle to define their own course. With little faith in their own decisions, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern describe their more self-determined drift as \u201cslipping off the map\u201d (108). Thus they approach life passively, lacking control. In a similar manner, we the readers often find ourselves on boats, \u201cdrift[ing] down time\u201d (108).","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"24222897","body":"In a way, they follow such a confusing, random pattern of ideas that the audience begins to experience what they experience. We ourselves eventually give up control and just follow the drift of the play. At no point during the reading or viewing do we really play the prediction game. We feel as if we can't predict and therefore have less control over the storyline.","dateCreated":"1274061846","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"lporter","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/lporter","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24324807","body":"What then controls the society's current? Is there such thing as fate or is the entire universe based on a series of arbitrary events?","dateCreated":"1274222628","smartDate":"May 18, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"LynnH91","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/LynnH91","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/LynnH91-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"24221651","dateCreated":"1274060127","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"michelleli","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/michelleli","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/24221651"},"dateDigested":1532169745,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Death - Lindsay & Michelle","description":"In both Acts Two and Three, the characters talk about death and its importance. In Act Two, Rosencrantz states that "Life in a box is better than no life at all" (71). When he says this, he means that it's better to be alive and suffering in a box than having no life at all\u2014dead. As this meaning continues, in Act Three, Rosencrantz questions this idea again: "Do you think death could possibly be on a boat?" (108). To this, Guildenstern replies that death is just not being there, not being present. Therefore, there is a shift in this idea from Act Two to Act Three that death isn't just lying down in a box, but it means having no presence, not even lying down in the box.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"24221839","body":"Death then, does not have to physical. In other words, one can be alive but essentially dead because his\/her existence does not amount to any significance. One can be in a "box" or trapped in a certain identity that makes them dead, insignificant, and infinitely small. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are, in essence, "dead" because they are trapped in the identity of a messenger.","dateCreated":"1274060328","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"LynnH91","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/LynnH91","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/LynnH91-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24221949","body":"Death can be also seen has having no importance. It's the end of everything so having no presence seems fitting.","dateCreated":"1274060448","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"jasoncho92","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jasoncho92","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24221951","body":"Death can be also seen has having no importance. It's the end of everything so having no presence seems fitting.","dateCreated":"1274060449","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"jasoncho92","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jasoncho92","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24221957","body":"Death can be also seen has having no importance. It's the end of everything so having no presence seems fitting.","dateCreated":"1274060450","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"jasoncho92","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jasoncho92","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24221959","body":"The way they (ros & guil) view death seems typical. Although, they do not include any religious connotations.","dateCreated":"1274060454","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"pkcnam","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/pkcnam","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24222115","body":"The boat is essentially a box. Would it be better to be on the boat forever (in a box) than death?
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\nThe not-thereness seems almost comforting in comparison.","dateCreated":"1274060634","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"lporter","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/lporter","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24229589","body":"To Ms. Porter's question, I would say no, it is not better to be in a box than death. I think to be alive means to be able to breathe, have action, and have life outside of the box. A life with no freedom is like having no life at all.","dateCreated":"1274086185","smartDate":"May 17, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"rachelrox","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/rachelrox","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24297909","body":"This discussion of the boat reminds me of a quote "take the road not taken". It seems that this path is often set up for us; and to avoid this paved road, we must seek alternate roads. I think that living the same packaged life that everyone else lives is worse than death itself. Without your own identity and life course, what would drive your life?","dateCreated":"1274194850","smartDate":"May 18, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"Jessica_Y","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Jessica_Y","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"24221519","dateCreated":"1274059963","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"laurenleee","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/laurenleee","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/laurenleee-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/24221519"},"dateDigested":1532169746,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Nobody is Special- Lauren, Lynn, Yura","description":"Nobody special. Nobody\u2019s special in Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead. In Act two and three, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern represent the futility of identity. In Act 2, the player quotes, \u201cUncertainty is the normal state. You\u2019re nobody special\u201d (66) That\u2019s just the way it is. He\u2019s saying that you\u2019re not supposed to be special: you should be confused about who you are. The King frequently confuses between them and they even receive the equal pay. Their existence is not special to anyone else even if they always argue about their identity. The only answer to the lack of identity is assumption. The Player believes \u201ceverything has to be taken on trust...[because] it\u2019s the currency of living\u201d (67). One must assume that he\/she has a certain identity which they trust that it exists. Assumption, in other words, is the boat that guides our life\u2019s decisions.
\nLynn, Lauren, Yura","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"24221655","body":"I think it is really interesting that you came up with this conclusion about nobody being special. I think it connects back to absurdism, and that conclusion about "assumption guiding our life's decision" was something that helped me to understand the play in a better way.","dateCreated":"1274060135","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"alexlsong","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/alexlsong","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24221811","body":"Notice how both your quote and example mention money. Is it money that helps define who we are? Clearly the play discusses this idea through the Player and their fall in stature and life. But there is no discrimination in the pay for the two from the King. Is it pay that discriminates us?","dateCreated":"1274060294","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"lporter","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/lporter","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24221963","body":"I actually do think that pay sometimes define who we are. Even though it is tragic, but that really makes us think of our "level" and make that distinction--in reality at least.","dateCreated":"1274060462","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"lindsaylee","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/lindsaylee","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"24221513","dateCreated":"1274059943","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"alexlsong","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/alexlsong","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/24221513"},"dateDigested":1532169748,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Theme of Fatalism","description":"The play Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead is about Ros and Gil, who were ordered to send Hamlet to England. In this play, when there\u2019s a shift from Act 2 to Act 3, Ros and Gil contemplate over the theme of fate and that everything is fixed under a boat because this play is about absurdism. In Act 3, it says \u201cThe sun is going down. It will be dark soon.\u201d, which symbolizes that everything is going towards the end. Finally, Ros and Gil seem to engage in a meaningless conversation, which means that since there's no point in living life (that everyone's going to die anyway), there shouldn't be much effort in searching for meanings.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"24221585","body":"It often feels as if Guildenstern, at least, wants to change his fate and that seems to be the purpose of questioning it.","dateCreated":"1274060049","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"lporter","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/lporter","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24221619","body":"The point made in your paragraph is well-substantiated and seems to relate to the play well. However, I thought that the "sun going down" might be a start of a new journey that cannot be done in daylight. Or perhaps, the different aspects in life.","dateCreated":"1274060098","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"yura","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/yura","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24221797","body":"I thought of something similar to Yura's idea. I thought that going towards darkness means that morning will be coming soon, beginning another day. One day you live wrong, the next day comes for you to live differently.","dateCreated":"1274060284","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"michelleli","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/michelleli","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24221835","body":"I have to agree with Yura's point here. Although I think the sun going down could mean the end of something but that is simply the end of a "day" not end of "everything."","dateCreated":"1274060328","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"lindsaylee","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/lindsaylee","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24324801","body":"Ros and Guil's conversation can both be meaningless and meaningful, depending on the perspective. It is meaningless in that it really amounts to no conclusions--it is just a game of logic that they are trapped in. However, the fact that something so philosophical in nature provides no answers or meaning to life is meaningful.","dateCreated":"1274222621","smartDate":"May 18, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"LynnH91","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/LynnH91","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/LynnH91-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"24140965","dateCreated":"1273815353","smartDate":"May 13, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"anniexbananie","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/anniexbananie","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/24140965"},"dateDigested":1532169748,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"TWO THINGS. Remembering & Homosexuality","description":"
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\nRos: The letter.
\nGuil: Have you got it?
\nRos: Have I? Where would I have put it?
\nGuil: You can't have lost it.
\nRos: I must have!
\nGuil: That's odd - I thought he gave it to me.
\nRos: Perhaps he did.
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\nRosencrantz and Guildenstern feel offended because Claudius and Hamlet cannot tell them apart. They aren't REMEMBERED because they are not significant. Similarly, on pages 106-107, they have another discussion about remembering and forgetting. Rosencrantz can't REMEMBER where he put the letter. The letter has been forgotten, just like them. Therefore, they pretty much have the same value as a letter.
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\nRos: Well, shall we stretch our legs?
\nGuil: I don't feel like stretching my legs.
\nRos: I'll stretch them for you, if you like.
\nGuil: No.
\nRos: We could stretch each other's. That way we wouldn't have to go anywhere.
\nGuil (pause): No, somebody might come in.
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\nIs it possible that Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are gay? Homosexuality is not really mentioned or discussed at all in this play - but there's ALWAYS SOMEthing in everything we read about it... so...? Maybe not.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"24141849","body":"Two separate posts -- You know all those cop movies where you have the buddy cops and their interplay? To me, that is R&G. There is always that slight hint of undertone.","dateCreated":"1273820543","smartDate":"May 14, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"lporter","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/lporter","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"24140947","dateCreated":"1273815266","smartDate":"May 13, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"dabinl","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/dabinl","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/24140947"},"dateDigested":1532169748,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"DaBin and Il Won ","description":"- mirror life
\n- failure to recognize himself
\n- following the path of their mirror image
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\n"We follow directions--there is no choice involved" says the player when Guildenstern asks who decides whom to die (80). No choice, no free will--these all relates to the theme of the fate and death's inevitable nature. During the dumb show, the tragedians act out the entire plot; the two spies, which appear as side characters, in the play are the mirror image of Guildenstern and Rosancrantz. However, they fail to recognize their image, although Rosencrantz seems to notice some of the features such as attire. Failing in recognizing that the spies actually represent themselves, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern proceed the discussion of death. Just like spies are written to have "a letter to present to the English court [and] depart--on board ship" within the play, Guildenstern and Rosencrantz also go on board to England. They are following the fate, and eventually they will reach the tragic ending: death.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"24140943","dateCreated":"1273815221","smartDate":"May 13, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"courteneykim","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/courteneykim","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/24140943"},"dateDigested":1532169749,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Clair and Courteney: Inevitability of Death ","description":" "Anything could happen yet," says Rosencrantz when he decides to go to England. This is similar to when Hamlet decides to go have the fencing match with Laertes. When Oswald comes and asks Hamlet if he would like to participate, Hamlet thinks, he had planned the revenge all along, and nothing got resolved, so why not let whatever happens and happens. Then Hamlet goes to the match and dies. Just like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern leave their life to fate and die once they arrive in England. It shows that death is inevitable fate.
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\n The coin also, represents fate and the probability of an event.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"24140957","body":"We also talked about fate in our discussion and talked about how Rosencrantz and Guildenstern take comfort in the fact that they are "tied" to the fate so even if they have no idea where they are or what time of the day it is, they put their entire trust and faith in fate...","dateCreated":"1273815321","smartDate":"May 13, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"chaerij","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/chaerij","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24140971","body":"We also explored the similar idea and focused on the theme of fate.","dateCreated":"1273815364","smartDate":"May 13, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"dabinl","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/dabinl","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24221573","body":"In Act three, Rosencrantz says should I jump in? but he eventually doesn't. They once discussed in act two that death isn't something scary. However for those two, identity crisis and other things seem to be more of an issue to them than death.","dateCreated":"1274060040","smartDate":"May 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"laurenleee","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/laurenleee","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/laurenleee-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24281921","body":"I like the point made by Clair and Courteney that "the coin also, represents fate and the probability of an event." Death comes to Rosencrantz and Guildenstern without warning. No-one can control their fate, just as we cannot control whether the coin shows heads or tails after spinning.","dateCreated":"1274161000","smartDate":"May 17, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"rachelrox","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/rachelrox","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"24140941","dateCreated":"1273815194","smartDate":"May 13, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"chaerij","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/chaerij","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/24140941"},"dateDigested":1532169749,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Desire for Certainty","description":"n the end of act 2, Rosencratz and Guildenstern are sent to England with Hamlet. From this point on, Ros and Guil are confused about their positions but they desire comfort which is certainty. They suppress their anxiety by constantly reassuring themselves that they are tied to fate: "We may seize the moment... but we are brought round full circle to face again the single immutable fact" and the fact this quotation is referring to is the idea of a "line" which represents guidance and directions to define who they really are.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"24141037","body":"But their life is not certainty. I think they realize that. That is why when they talk about the amount of money they each receive, the uncertainty of their value makes them sick and weep.","dateCreated":"1273815830","smartDate":"May 13, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"mikebock","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/mikebock","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"24140901","dateCreated":"1273814983","smartDate":"May 13, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"jenniferp22","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jenniferp22","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/kisapenglporter2009-10.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/24140901"},"dateDigested":1532169749,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Players-Fate and Death","description":"
\nThe players seem like minor characters, but they play a significant role in establishing the theme of fate and death in both Ros&Guild and Hamlet. Death is inevitable, and this is emphasized through the player. The players state that whatever happens in the script must happen in the play-therefore nothing written can be avoided. Nothing that happens is questioned. In Hamlet, Polonius' death is inevitable because Shakespeare wrote it to be that way. Once again his death is not questioned, just accepted. This sheds light on the theme of fate-that if things are meant to happen, then they eventually will.
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\nGuil: We're tragedians, you see. We follow directions-there is no choice involved. The bad end unhappily, the good unluckily. That is what tragedy means.
\nAct 2 p 80","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"24140905","body":"By Jungah and Jennifer P.","dateCreated":"1273814997","smartDate":"May 13, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"jenniferp22","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jenniferp22","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24140973","body":"I agree with this idea of faith in this play. Their faith was decided even before RG are Dead was written.","dateCreated":"1273815367","smartDate":"May 13, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"goblinj","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/goblinj","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"24278823","body":"I agree. The player doesn't question death. Instead, he just accepts the concept as it is. I think this can be largely attributed to uncertainty. Ronsencrantz and Guildenstern have tough time defining "death" in the play because it is vague, while player simply accepts it. This also shows in character names. While all the other characters have names, player doesn't have one because he accepts uncertainty.","dateCreated":"1274150380","smartDate":"May 17, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"jyang10","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jyang10","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]}],"more":true},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}